Google PR Updated 24/6/04 good or bad

[Khun]

how did everyone make out for this PR update? I'll start it out.
I had 3 PR5's, 2 PR6's and 2 PR7's stay the same.
I had 1 PR5 go to PR6, 1 PR6 go to PR7 and 3 PR0's go to PR5. but some of my new inner pages still no pr.

[1PlanHost]

Moved from a PR5 to a PR6 so it was indeed a good day.

Best Wishes for a Net Success!

[1PlanHost]

Anyone seen Google Dance again recently? I have heard rumors but nothing confirmed. I have been working very hard to reach a PR7 and am hoping the next dance will get us there. We are doing very well with windows 2003 hosting and related terms and our backlinks are increasing daily yet it looks like we need that Page Rank 7 to reach the top. For those that think it is easy, think again. Search engine optimization is a daily duty and takes a whole lot of time, testing and learning. I have been studying it for over 8 years myself and still have to work hard at it. It can be done though and in my opinion, very worthwhile.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

[pxtek]

What is google dance?


Edited: You can ignore my reply lol, I've searched google.

[1PlanHost]

During any month, Google sends out robots (spiders) to crawl the web and archive every website it finds (usually by following links from those within it's database) These archived websites will be presented in the next update of the Google index (database). The update process is initiated every 30 - 45 days or so, although on some occasions there have been more than 45 days between updates. It is during this time that you can see if your search engine optimization work during the month will pay off or not. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't depending on the much guarded Google algorithym change they do to better the index, foil keyword spammers, and make the searches more relevant for end users.

If you are a student of Google you'll know that they have 3 main www servers online, which are as follows:

www.google.com - The main address, the true homepage of google.
www2.google.com - Thought to be a test server.
www3.google.com - Thought to be a test server.

While nobody outside of "Google" truly seems to know the purpose of the www2 & www3 servers, many people have come to the assumption that they are test servers. During the update, which takes several days, the 3 Google servers display different results. While the results vary from server to server, they are said to be "dancing", hence the name "Google Dance".

After the dance is completed, the index is updated and the results will be different than before for searches.

SEO specialist give each dance a specific name following the alphabet sort of like people do with hurricanes. The Florida dance last November is one of the most famous because many sites that were listing well, suddenly disapeared entirely from the index.

Parts of the above are attributed to http://www.seochat.com/googledance/ where you can find more information.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success on the next dance!

[Khun]

It's almost 2 month with no update...

[1PlanHost]

Yes, I have been noticing that and watching closely each day. I am just assuming that the next update will be a major one but hoping it will not be another Florida type that hit last November. They refine the algorithym upon each update.

I suspect the delay is due to their IPO focus. If the next dance and update is severe then that would bring a lot of negative attention to them at a time when they cherish all the positives they can get.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success and may the Google dance be good to you!

[cl2]

Yeah IPO... That's a good point.

Google employees are thinking of buying a car, a house, a boat, a .... WOW.

They don't have time to update :D

[1PlanHost]

Gotta be anytime now though as they are way overdue according to their normal schedule. Perhaps it is a good thing though as it provides more time to gain more content relevant backlinks.

BTW: If anyone runs a ASP, .NET, Frontpage, or hosting related site that has a PR rank of 5 or higher and want to trade links (or are looking for sponsors) I would be highly interested. Must have PR5 or higher and not have any links to Rx, adult or gambling sites (Google hates those).

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

[Khun]

Actually my brand new site starting at PR5 once Google index it. May be, it because I run Adsence on every site. Google are now public, so the more traffic you send them the better.
I've to build 1 website/month publish to the world. It's my goal
If you want to be a site sponsor, I would love to;)

[1PlanHost]

Actually many studies have demonstrated that using AdSence does not boost a page's PR at all. That is a good thing about Google in that they do not place extra weight in SERPS on sites that advertise for them (AdSence) or with them (AdWords). Keeps the results more relevant and fair to all that way.

What I suspect is the reason why your new sites are showing up as PR5 upon first index is due to what is called the Sandbox Effect.

At you can read more information on the Sandbox Effect at
http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Google/The-Sandbox-Effect-Not-a-Nice-Place-to-Play/
where you can see the following

"The Sandbox Effect appears to be a search ranking damping filter, applied by Google, to sites for their first two to four months after the initial launch "fresh site bonus". The bonus for brand new sites is to appear very highly in the SERPs for a short time, based on Google's preference for fresh content.

As formerly new content ages slightly, the Sandbox filter kicks in. That is the Sandbox Effect. The average length of time for a site to remain trapped in the sand is about ninety days, although stays in the holding pattern lasting four months, are not uncommon."

Now the BIG question is do these Sandboxed sites pass their PageRank on to sites they link to with the same strength that an established site has? My own research has show that they do indeed pass PR but it appears to be at a somewhat reduced rate (reduced percentage and power of PR votes). And of course once the Sandbox effect has completed and the site drops significantly in SERPS and PR then their is no benefit at all from these links. That is why I also like to see Alexa ratings of 100,000 or less, site longetivity and good traffic results.

Do let me know your URL though so I can take a look at it.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

[Khun]

I’ve heard about the Sandbox. In my case, I think it’s not the sandbox effect. Because all the PR5 start up site move up to PR6 within next 1 or 2 update. I've no experienced on how to move PR down ;)

I would like to host this site with you
http://www.touristclick.com pr5, alexa 38,000 and going up, launched on May this year. many people suspect me, how can I move that fast with the 4 mounths old site.
How many IP do you have? I would like to host one site per IP.
I plan to host my sites in defferent IP as much as I can, It's good for SEO.:)
I've 10 site with PR5-7, alexa 20,000 - 80,000 If you have many IP please let me know
thanks
khun

[1PlanHost]

Hi Khun

We have thousands of IP addresses but unless you are going to need your own SSL certificate (which requires a static IP) we will use a shared web server IP address. However, we could not guarantee that each of your domains would have a different IP address because of the way our servers are configured to automatically distribute new accounts over multiple servers. This is a good feature that many hosts do not have since all new signups are not placed on the same server but are distributed in an orderly fashion across all web servers that are in production.

Honestly, there used to be a lot of hype about having your own IP and spreading domains across many class C blocks but this has pretty much diminished in importance. While it may have some significance still, it is not as important as it used to be. This is evidenced by one of our hosting competitors who secretely inserted their URL into all of their hosted customers sites last Spring and got a huge boost in PR and SERPS from it. Of course the practice was not ethical and their customers soon complained about it and it became a very negative public relations nightmare for them.

I would be glad to offer you the following, We set you up with our new resellers plan for 10 domains free of charge in exchange for permenant Sponsor anchor text links and sponsor banner ads on those 10 sites. See http://www.1planhost.com/resellers/resellers.asp for the plan details. Any additional domains or resources you would need to purchase as add-ons to your resellers annual package. The deal would need to be renegotiated again in one year to ensure that both parties are satisfied. Email me at Darrell @ 1PlanHost.com (remove spaces) if interested.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

[RyanHost]

Getting a high PR on google is very hard and time consuming, I submit pages from my sites daily but t seems to be making little difference.

[wisehosting]

Originally posted by RyanHost
Getting a high PR on google is very hard and time consuming, I submit pages from my sites daily but t seems to be making little difference.

Isn't there a "limit" on how many times monthly you can submit before being detected as trying to spam google?? I heard you shouldnt submit more than once fortnight . . . . could be wrong though - it's happened a couple times ;-)

[RyanHost]

I submit 1 page to google per day some other search engines also only all 1 per day, a few will allow more.

[1PlanHost]

There is no need to duplicate submissions to Google. Submitting your main index page and site map to them is sufficient since they will crawl your links and index your pages that way once found.

As far as frequency in submitting different pages on different sites, I would recomend no more than 20 per day. However, the fastest method of getting listed in Google is to have a link on an existing site that is already listed in their directory and being spidered every day. Google spiders hit our 1PlanHost site every single day for some unknown reason while it hits our other sites less frequently.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

[Nathaniel]

What is a Google Dance?Can you please explain me...?

[chimehost]

Sites that don't change their content frequently, won't get that many visits from search engines. Url's with dynamic content will get most visits. As for PR, pagerank doesn't mean anything when it comes to ranking in search engine. You can have a low pagerank and still get ranked high.