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cl2
09-15-2004, 07:35 AM
I think in the past 2 years the reseller hosting was quite popular especially after the economy went bad in 2001. People got out off the job and starting their own businesses. But now, not quite sure. It seemed like more people know how to run the servers and they tend to rent a dedicated server to start off the business.

What do you think? What's the trend of reseller?

1PlanHost
09-20-2004, 08:21 PM
While there has been major growth in the cheap dedicated server market over the past 3 years I would not attest this to more people knowing how to run servers. In fact, we at 1PlanHost.com very often get resellers signing up from some of the major discount dedicated server providers because they have no earthly idea how to set up and manage a web server securely and efficiently. They come to us saying "please help, I don't know how to run a server on my own" and of course we sell them our managed reseller program which meets their needs.

The cost of these unmanaged dedicated servers has gone down significantly which has opened up possibilities for many web developers and entreprenuers to run their own web servers. However, keep in mind that many of the top providers of discount dedicated servers do not provide managed services for them. An uneducated person can very quickly misconfigure a server and make it very vulnerable to hackers, degragation of server performance and unreliability. I am not saying that all are run this way but you would be surprised at the actual numbers!

I envision that in the coming year (as it has been this past year), many resellers who are relying on unreliable cheap servers or are reselling for unreliable companies will continue to seek out reliability and stability for their customers even if the profit margins are not as great as they had before. The old cliche of "You get what you pay for" holds true.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

earthstar
09-21-2004, 12:00 AM
I would attest it to the fact that, in general, the average web hosting customer is more web savvy than they were 5 years ago. I have been in this biz for over 5 years now (ya, a lifetime in internet years), and the average customer thesedays is much more savvy on DNS, domain names, transfers, etc.

As far as running their on servers, most are still not knowledgeable enough to do so.

1PlanHost
09-21-2004, 12:18 AM
You hit the nail on the head EarthStar, "As far as running their on servers, most are still not knowledgeable enough to do so."

It takes skill and experience to manage web servers effectively. Do it wrong at the risk of your company and customers! I have seen so many fallouts and refugees transfer over to us from poorly managed dedicated servers and feel for them.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

earthstar
09-21-2004, 01:13 AM
Yeah, sad but true, and regardless of whether you are running Linux or Windows, as a server admin you have to understand how to manage your servers at the command prompt level. It doesn't matter how good your server admin software is, none of them do it all. And if you don't know how to do it, you have to wait in the support ticket line just like everyone else.

wisehosting
09-21-2004, 03:35 AM
There has been a huge increase of resellers - mostly down to the ease and low cost of looking like "your own host".
Now customers have been stung by many resellers who didnt have the good luck to choose a good provider.
The market for resellers looking to progress (for us) is now swinging to fully managed VPS - the step below a dedicated. This gives resellers the ability to have "root" and learn DNS, creating reseller accounts, handling ip's, installing software etc - but knowing that if they break anything we are on hand to fix it or give advice.
Becuase you can break down VPS into quite small chunks - I think there will be a drop in traditional reseller packages for people trying to building a hosting business.

1PlanHost
09-21-2004, 12:22 PM
There is no doubt that the VPS market is making some headway but I don't see it as coming close to replacing the traditional reseller shared hosting market just yet. Perhaps with time that like anything in our business will change but currently traditional shared accounts are still strong.

Professional resellers are seeking reliability and stability more than ever before due to poor performance by many hosts seeking to capitalize on the reseller market without providing quality.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

oanielsen
09-21-2004, 03:01 PM
There is a very steep learning curve for people jumping from reseller to Dedicated. Proper firewalling, anti-virus, Brute Force Detection, Mail server bugs, etc. etc. etc. I think the problem for most people seeking reseller hosting is finding a company that doesn't have horribly over-sold servers, and a company competent enough to do custom server configs for people.....all at a decent price. When jumping into my first dedicated, I knew I had a lot to learn, but now that I have, I would never go back to the old way!

BetterWebSpace
09-22-2004, 07:05 AM
Hi,

Reselling is still a popular way to house multiple accounts for developers and as a sideline for existing bricks-and-mortar companies, I'm keeping a keen eye on VPS solutions, but with the price of a dedicated and a reseller account gradually getting closer together it makes you wonder whether there will be any middle ground for the VPS solution to sit in soon!

Regards,
Keiron

1PlanHost
09-22-2004, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by oanielsen
There is a very steep learning curve for people jumping from reseller to Dedicated. Proper firewalling, anti-virus, Brute Force Detection, Mail server bugs, etc. etc. etc.

Yes, very much so! That I believe is the reason why the reseller market will remain strong. Keep in mind that most of the people who post on this board are already either running their own servers or reselling hosting so we are not seeing reality when it comes to the standard new reseller. Many in my experience have a difficult time learning how to set up their own hosting plans and would not have any idea on where to start with running their own server. We get plenty of refugees from the cheap dedicated server providers that join our reseller program for that very reason.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

oanielsen
09-22-2004, 09:06 PM
I have always had the ability to set up reseller plans, but I decided that I don't want to mess with the headache of not "knowing" the people or the websites that will be hosted. Too much of a maintenance headache. I have only hosted my web design clients and have really enjoyed the SLA I can offer for them knowing that I have complete control of who are on my boxes. I can also limit a box to 20-50 sites, keep them performing at an optimum level and still keep the box profitable.

hostonfire.com
11-17-2004, 04:11 AM
It is much cost saving to resell hosting than start your own. Currently, there are many competitions out there being service providers and I believe that 80% of them are resellers.

Khun
11-17-2004, 05:08 AM
Checkout following websites: reseller Hosting with the same templates lol:D
www.thefast.be
www.pumo.com.tw
www.bizonhosting.com
www.comcities.com
www.freeweb.de
www.freesurf.de
www.easynet-interactive.com
www.thefast.nl
www.telecomgids.be
www.hostinx.com
www.windnetsolutions.net
www.hawkwebhosting.com
www.haleyhosting123.com
www.affinitum.net
www.digibeams.com
www.netpmg.com
www.dilek.com

IMC
11-18-2004, 10:28 AM
how can you find all of those sites??

NS-Icon
11-20-2004, 11:06 PM
Lol :D Khun,

That is quite amusing, how did you manage to find all of those sites with the same templates?

Is it some form of turnkey reseller hosting service? Or do you just go out on a regular basis hunting for hosting companies with the same templates :)

hostonfire.com
11-21-2004, 11:18 AM
Checkout following websites: reseller Hosting with the same templates lol:D
www.thefast.be
www.pumo.com.tw
www.bizonhosting.com
www.comcities.com
www.freeweb.de
www.freesurf.de
www.easynet-interactive.com
www.thefast.nl
www.telecomgids.be
www.hostinx.com
www.windnetsolutions.net
www.hawkwebhosting.com
www.haleyhosting123.com
www.affinitum.net
www.digibeams.com
www.netpmg.com
www.dilek.com


Khun, Well done on your find!

1PlanHost
11-28-2004, 11:16 AM
Khun is the Man! Great job in pointing that out Khun. If you are going to resell web hosting at least have the proffessionalism to create your own design and not use a standard public template. So many of hosting sites look the same because they get their templates from templatemonster.com Another bit of advice is to change your custom design at least once a year to keep it fresh and test it with your customers (ask for their feedback on usability issues).

Sometimes even a simple design change can affect sales tremendously! For example, in our current design at http://www.1PlanHost.com we originally had a picture of a woman and some staff standing in front of servers (see http://www.1planhost.com/domains.asp ) for that photo. The goal was to present a proffessional serious about hosting look. However, sales started dropping off and after a month's run, we changed to the current picture and ad campaign on our homepage that emphasizes our theme of "What downtime should be..." relax, we have you covered with our 100% Uptime Guarantee and sales picked back up the same day.

Don't copy other web sites, be unique and come up with your own design and ad campaign. Get your staff in your office for a brainstorming session and you can come up with some really nice creative campaigns.

Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

Khun
11-28-2004, 10:02 PM
Thanks guys, I use google to find them. You can try to search for "mariarti3_1.swf" (the main swf file of those page). it take onle 0.68 sec to find all of those site by google :o

24x7
11-29-2004, 12:32 AM
Thank you Khun.. Well done for your search.

BTW, may I ask anyone about the difference of reseller hosting and Private label services? it sounds to me that private label services in all in one package for you to start doing business. AM I right?

ASP-Hosting.ca
11-30-2004, 10:09 AM
I think in the past 2 years the reseller hosting was quite popular especially after the economy went bad in 2001. People got out off the job and starting their own businesses. But now, not quite sure. It seemed like more people know how to run the servers and they tend to rent a dedicated server to start off the business.

What do you think? What's the trend of reseller?

If you are serious about hosting, I'll advise to rent a dedicated server and hire skilled system administrator to manage it. This might look as an expensive way to start, but it will save you a lot of trouble down the road. Most companies offering reseller accounts have to oversell like crazy, just to make a tiny profit. How can somebody offer unlimited domains for $20 month? Think about it.

1PlanHost
03-03-2005, 02:36 PM
Private label reselling is often interpreted two ways
1. You are given a template site from the wholesale hosting company and then you modify that template in various ways to put your name on the template verses your providers. WildWestDomains.com is an excellent example of this type (for domain registrations).

OR

2. You are provided with your own set of DNS server names (ns1.yourdomain.com & ns2.yourdomain.com) and evidence of the wholesale provider's existance is practically invisible to the normal public view. You create your own web site design but use either your own backend or your providers back end.

The best of the two options is the second one since it provides even more unique branding possibilities. Getting a managed dedicated server is preffered for those who are not familiar with running web servers.



Best Wishes for a .Net Success!

coolhandle
01-18-2023, 04:18 AM
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